you have to look up larva lace ,it is the bomb man ,u can only order it on line unless they started dealing with dealers but they have all kinds of tubing and there is one guy who weaves the stuff ,and has a book on how to do it ,incredible nymphs ,i cant even explain them ,mind blowing is all i can say .there is a guy his name is joseph soma ,and he ties some of these flys ,his email is articpr1@jaguarsystems.com,his company name is Nomad Flies ,look him up ,im telling you these are amazing nymphs wish i had a picture .Ill see if i can find them for you .