You know, its funny what you can learn when you crank out more than 4-5 of the same fly at a time like this... I did it last night tying up some flies for our fly swap... By about the 10th fly, I knew exactly where to put the thread to get the tails to sit JUST right, where to wrap to make the wings look the way I wanted, etc... I got so much better and faster in such short time by just going the distance and making more than 4 flies at a time. These subtle "tricks" you learn when tying in bulk go a long way, and when you sit down to tie up that pattern again in the future, its like clockwork. I was told that when learning a new pattern you should always tie up about a dozen to get them looking the way you want, and I shrugged it off and would tie up about 4 and call it quits. Makes a world of a difference if you want your patterns coming out premo tying up a good bit of them.