Czech or Polish Nymphing

[Nymphmeister]

Do tell- you have more info on that one? Vladi is supposed to be " the master", I believe he was the one who introduced the technique to competition. He kicked everyone's ass with it, with his individual score beating the combined scores of any team.

[alanb_ct]

I don't think they will mind some free advertising, it's available from the Book Mailer http://www.thebookmailer.com/Books/C...p?bookid=17805

From the writeup I read:

As head coach of the USA Fly Fishing Team, Jack Dennis figured out that effective Euro nymphing gave Europeans a virtual lock on medals in the World Championships. To learn more, Jack enlisted Vladi Trzebunia to help coach his team. In this DVD Vladi will teach you to become a more effective nymph fisherman without the use of indicators. By mastering these skills you should be able to double your hookups and add to your nymphing success in moving water.

This is a smattering of cultural learning with instruction in Czech, Polish, Spanish and French nymphing, the rigs, flies, knots and casting techniques. As a bonus Jack presents French, Italian and Portuguese fly tiers with exciting new bead-headed nymphs, all tied step-by-step on location at Sweden’s 2005 World Fly Fishing Championships. A well-rounded tying and fishing presentation—and since it is Jack there's sure to be lots of character thrown in.

[Nymphmeister]

Sounds like it could be a really good DVD.

[Brown_Trout]

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There is a new 4 hour DVD arriving soon entitled "EUROPEAN NYMPHING" with Jack Dennis & Vladi Trzebunia.

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When is it going to be out?

[alanb_ct]

The DVD is available as a pre-order only, from the Book Mailer here:
http://www.thebookmailer.com/Books/C...p?bookid=17805

[LorenWilliams]

Hello all,

Great thread! I feel that I can offer a bit about CN (Czech Nymphing) and Polish nymphing. I am a member of Fly Fishing Team USA, use both techniques readily and I was taught Polish Nymphing, as well as how to tie the woven nymph (and others) by the guy who developed the whole shebang. Not fluffing myself---just showing credibility. I do have a few comments:

1. For Polish nymphing to work you must be able to get close to the fish as it is a very short line affair. You need a good current. Although intended for the very light biting, bottom hugging European grayling it's the nuts for whities and does work well for trout under the right conditions. Do not think you can pull it off any old place. Polish nymphs are typically a good deal heavier than Czech nymphs.
2. CN is very similar to Polish but it's not as aggressive. It consists of lighter flies, longer leaders and is better suited to more water types. It, however, is fussier. Strike detection with CN is more visual while strikes are felt when Polish Nymphing. Concretely defining the two is difficult btu there is a difference.
3. I never, ever, ever use split shot when nymph fishing for trout. Yes, I am a competition angler so I practice by the rules--but even when I stop I will not use shot. Why? As soon as you pinch on a shot you have dedicated yourself to fishing it and not the fly. I want to be in contact with my flies at all times--no matter which technique I am using. I can mix/match fly weight to fish any water type you throw at me and I will know what my flies are doing at all times. I just do not feel that I can be as accurate with split shot--plus it hangs up.
4. Curved hooks are a mainstay since they ride inverted and really resist getting hung. It is how we can run 3 nymphs through rocky runs very deep and not get stuck that often.
5. To the individual there is wiggle room. John Wilson will rig and fish his CN rig differently that I do because we are different heights and prefer different rods. Likewise with Lance and George--two of my teammates. Take the technique, understand the theory and application then make it your own. On the Czech team alone--each angler uses a different rod and leader to suit his personal preference. Think of it as a form of presentation to get your fly deep fast and keep it there while detecting the very subtlest of takes.

I encourage everyone to experiment with CN and Polish nymphing but there are many nuances to it besides using heavy flies and level leaders. You can indeed hoover a run with these skills under the proper conditions--it can be mindboggling how effective these skills are in the right hands. They are important skills but not end-all as there are lots of water types that are not well suite to either technique....places where dry/dropper, or upstream nymphing may be better choices.

[alanb_ct]

Welcome to the forum! It is an honor to have you aboard and we all look forward to your insight. Thank you.

[Brown_Trout]

Welcome to TPO Loren. Doing any fishing lately?



JR

[Nymphmeister]

Great to see you here Loren. For those of you who don't know, Loren is also a fishing guide in upstate NY in the Salmon River area, and he guides for Steelhead & Salmon, as well as stream trout. His website is a great resource, it has the best fly tying tutorials I've ever seen on it (he was the official fly tyer for Team USA one year). The site is:

flyguysoutfitting.com.

Loren, now that you are posting, I plan on picking your brains on the various European nymphing techniques. Aaron is friendly with John Wilson, and John painted the picture to him that Czech nymphing is primarily a competition & grayling technique. He seemed to feel that the ol' indicator & shot method was more efficient most of the time. What do you say? In non-competition situations, it seems to me you could use a similar leader set-up, but subsitute split shot for the middle fly, and thus save yourself having to load your fly box with hundreds on the same patterns in 3 or more different weights. Am I wrong? I am familiar with the technique and flies, but not practiced much in the execution of it. I have good success with indicator & split shot techniques, but am always looking to broaden my horizons. If there are situations it is superior, I will add it to my quiver of tricks. Do you catch many big trout using it? I get the idea from talking to people that the competitions are usually won by catching a bunch of small trout, so I'm curious about how effective the technique is on bigger fish. I'm less into numbers, and more into catching above average trout, and indicator & split shot with 2 nymphs does that for me pretty consistently. Love to hear what someone with your competition experience has to say about it.

[Nymphmeister]

Brown Trout-
I don't have an availability date on that DVD yet, but I'll post it when I do. Sounds like it's gonna be a good one. I'm sure Loren knows Jack Dennis, and Vladi taught him how to tie & fish woven Polish nymphs. Nothing like learning from the originator.