any dying experts?

[beadhead]

This year I really want to step up doing things myself. I have never tried to dye anything myself. I have a few freinds that trap and will have access to alot of different hides, how hard is dying hides and is it worth the trouble? Any info from guys that have or do dye would be very helpful.

[Davyfly]

I can tell you all you need about this game, l at one time owned a large business that processed fly tying material. To be honest unless it is some weird color or a material that you cannot obtain from the major sources, Wapsi and Hareline it is more trouble that it is worth.
By the time you invest in the dyeware and chemicals to deal with the product, screwed around with it and messed it up, not to mention costs and time.

Many of the dyes we use are special dyes which are not available from the town stores, some of them contain carcinogens and you need certain chemicals as fishing agents.

I would imagine you are getting fur from animals such as coons, possums, muskrat, beaver, squirrels, may be otter.
Most of these material are best used as natural colors.
Deer hair processing is not easy as the hides need to be tanned before you an dye them well, all fatty tissue must be removed, same also for buck-tails.

Thin skin hides that contain little fatty tissue can be dried using borax.

Not trying to put you off here, just giving you the benefit of my advice and what you are getting into.

Davy.

[Soft-hackle]

Hi,
I'd definitely have to agree with Davy. It can be a pain to dye. I've done some dying myself, but these usually consist of white materials like white hen necks, and white rabbit fur. I use regular Rit dye and dye in small quantities. The results are acceptable, however, whenever possible I buy my dyed materials and dye myself ONLY if I want a color I can not find.

Mark

[beadhead]

Thanks guys for the info! Davy, for hides can I just skin, flesh, strech, salt , borax, dry and then Dye? Sounds like I wouldn't be doing more than The stuff I couldn't find the right color in, but deer hair, I can get my hands on unlimited quantities. I would kind of like to come up with some different colors, for bass and pike flies.

[Davyfly]

Skins that do not contain fatty tissue are easy to deal with, wash them in dish detergent and allow to dry, while still supple peg them out on a board rub in borax which will dry the skin. After which shack and brush off the excess.
As a rule before l dyed whole skins they would be set in a solution of formaldehyde, this reduces shrinkage when you dye them.
After you have dyes them you need to lay the dyed pieces out in cardboard, lay another over and add weight. This will maintain they stay flat when dried and not curl up.
It is best to dye a whole skin or at least large portions rather than to cut it up and dye little pieces.

Deer, depends from what area the hide is from, some areas contain little fatty tissue other way more.
I would send my hides to be tanned before l dyed them. You can do it your self but it costs money and time.
If you have a local taxidermist he may do it for you, most of them send the hides to a company who deals with tanning.

Yes, you can , but l would suggest you cut the hide into more manageable sizes, a whole hide stretched out need room and large boards.

yes, you can dry much of the hide out with borax and other products you can obtain from taxidermist supply companies.
Van Dyke is the one l deal with, google them and they will send you a catalogue.

If you have kept skins for sometime in the freezer they may be of no use, unless you can hydrate them.
Again you can obtain chemicals from Van Dyke for this.

Best dyes for fly tying are the Veniard range.

Davy

[beadhead]

Wow, great info Davy thank you, I will I'm sure ask more questions. Thanks again.

[ionidly]

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