Right-angle nymphing...

[Fascist Killer]

Can somebody school me on this? Is this a deep water tactic? I'm curious. Seems like it would be more responsive than standard indicator nymphing.

[alanb_ct]

I know Loren likes this technique and has written about it here and on his site. Tullis also covers this rigging in his book. It does make a lot of sense, but I haven't really tried it yet. The standard nymph rigging I have been using accomplishes some of the same things as the right angle method.

[LorenWilliams]

It's great for deep or shallow, fast or slow. It is very responsive and very easy to rig. The biggest issue is locating an indicator that can be used with it! And even that is not hard.

Here's a link to the article I did on the subject, feel free to post any unanswered questions.
http://www.flyguysoutfitting.com/rightangleleader.html

[Fascist Killer]

Kierran- If I'm reading this correctly, the amount of leader from fly line to indicator is going to be variable depending on the spookiness of the fish, not on the depth of water. The perpendicular dropper will vary according to depth. I'm assuming the standard 1.5 times the depth, so 2 feet of water means 3 feet of fluoro to the first fly.

[Fascist Killer]

I'll be at it on Saturday...

[LorenWilliams]

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Kierran- If I'm reading this correctly, the amount of leader from fly line to indicator is going to be variable depending on the spookiness of the fish, not on the depth of water. The perpendicular dropper will vary according to depth. I'm assuming the standard 1.5 times the depth, so 2 feet of water means 3 feet of fluoro to the first fly.
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It's a blend of factors including water speed, depth, wariness of trout and how you weight things. But, I can typically use 4 feet of 5X and fish everything from 6 inches to 3 feet or so just by changing weight. The water will push the indicator and that along will take out any bow form the uniform diameter leader, the weight (fly or shot) will counteract as needed--the two end up working nicely together.

I'd start with about 4-feet unless you will be fishing lots of deep water. The more weight you use, the more vertical the dropper will be but the less sensitive the rig.

[Fascist Killer]

If I wanted to tandem nymph and put a hevily weighted nymph (a yuk bug for example), and a lightly weighted or unweighted nymph off that, in average riffle water, would I still use 4 feet? How far above the lie would you cast to allow the tandem rig to get down? would you say for trout you normally fish six feet from end of fly line to indie, and four feet from indie to first fly?

[LorenWilliams]

How about this: You go out and play with the rig for a bit and then come back with questions. If I'm a betting man I'm pretty sure many of your preparatory questions will quickly dissolve. Not being gun-shy to your questions, I just think you're goign to find many of the issues go away after a few moments working with things.

Yes, I'd start with about 4 feet to my first fly-and I'm sure the rest will fall into place quickly.

One tip: focus on an upstream presentation..

[AaronJasper]

Regan,

Where are you going fishing? Justin is even going this weekend.

[Davyfly]

Here is my view guys on the right angle set up. It is simply a means to rig a system when using a indicator, and does not in any way enhance better take detection, no more so that a in line indicator rig.
Believe me here while fishing clients l am in a position to rig the systems up for the customers and over the years have analyzed differences between one of the other on the same day of fishing.

Simply the bottom line with any indicator rig is what you do below the indicator, as that very much determines the level of take detection.
I would add further here that the choice of indicator will make a great deal of difference, particularly when takes are very subtle.
Bomb bobbers as opposed say to those fine;y tuned made from yarn.

I know there was a post here a while ago related to making yarn indicators. I used to have to have two girls who made these for my commercial business at one time.

The fastest way to make a O ring style indicator is this. Go buy one of the small latch hooks, you can get the in Wally world for about 4 bucks.
O ring size will vary from 1mm or more. You will need small sizes for small indicators and larger for larger.

Set the O rings onto the shank of the latch hook behind the hook latch. You then select the amount of yarn you intend to use. By using the hook of the tool to hold the yarn midway, slide the first O ring onto the yarn. Center the O ring to that yarn. Now using the hook have it take hold of the O ring and slide a second O ring over the first and above.
After this you can further comb out the yarn material and trim it to size.

By this means you can make very small O ring style indicators, using a 1 or 2 mm O ring

It takes but a few mins for each, and avoids having to make a thread wrap above the first O ring. I can run up at least 50 in a hour or so this way.


Yarns vary in many ways. You must use those that are poly based, nylon sinks and does not have the best buoyancy factors all be it you can grease it up, but by doing so you will lose the flair effect, as the grease will often cause the fibers to clog.

Davy.