Nymphing "Fine Tuning"�

[AaronJasper]

Nymphing "Fine Tuning"


I have heard some pretty good reports despite the higher water recently. I decided to Euro Nymph in the higher flows because I figure that I can get much closer to the fish, especially given the added velocity of the water releases. So I rigged up my coiled monofilament indicator and gave it a go. I used a larger cranefly larva for my anchor fly and a small bead head nymph for the dropper. I was surprised at the results. I only was able to fish for four hours, but during that time many nice fish were netted.

I also played around with tippet sizes, and I noticed that 6X got me many more takes than 5X. Was this due to the flourocarbon being invisible to the fish, or the thinner diameter leader being more supple and allowing my flies to drift more naturally, or a third possibility of the leader allowing me to get my flies into the zone that the fish were feeding in? I suspect that the answer in this case would be D, or all of the above.

The fish were in some surprisingly shallow water lies. I figured that the prime holding water would be best, given the fact that the fish would have more water flowing overhead, thus giving them more cover overhead.
There was also a short burst of caddisfly activity where it might have been beneficial to switch from Euro Nymphing to wets or soft hackles, but I was too lazy! I was wrong again this week! The good part is that I figured the “pattern” out and stuck it to them pretty good!

The fly fishing on consecutive days streak is 12 and counting!


http://flyfishingevolution.com/?p=587

[Duck-butt Chucker]

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Nymphing "Fine Tuning"


I also played around with tippet sizes, and I noticed that 6X got me many more takes than 5X. Was this due to the flourocarbon being invisible to the fish, or the thinner diameter leader being more supple and allowing my flies to drift more naturally, or a third possibility of the leader allowing me to get my flies into the zone that the fish were feeding in? I suspect that the answer in this case would be D, or all of the above.
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We're technically talking sub-surface which I don't fish other than streamers, but the tippet productivity thing when fishing dries, regardless of whether it's mono or flouro, is almost entirely relative to the thinner tippet naturally making the angler "less inclined" to impart drag on the fly which in turn allows a higher percentage of presentations to go from "off-putting" to "acceptable" resulting in more takes/hook-ups. I might buy something stating, particularly sub-surface, that flouro is more transparent and in turn causes little to no light refractivity as this seems completely rational, however keep in mind (aside from the product needing a selling point to market it effectively) it's also based on the premise that the refractivity of mono is the "sole off-putting aspect" of the entire presentation which I'm not so inclined to believe in the vast majority of cases since way way way too many fish for much much too long on even the most heavily pressured water systems have been consistently taken on mono tippet material for that to have much merit...plus on top of that when fishing at low light late in the day (ie; the so called "magic hour" before dark) many times light refractivity, particularly with any appreciable amount of overhead tree cover, is almost entirely insignificant at that time of the day in comparison to someone fishing Greenwoods at 3pm in July....but yea anyway here's a link on "fly fishing myths" which, if nothing else, you should at least find some of the stuff pretty interesting: http://www.flyline.com/tips_trivia/myths_legends_lies/

[Walshmiko]

12 days and still going? Would this be the pre school grind? I know 7x would be way to light, but I wonder how many more hook ups you would get.

[Magnet]

If one fishes the surface one would not want to use florocarbon tippet. For the same reason, when fishing subsurface one would be inclined to use it.

[AaronJasper]

Here is my favorite one from that article...

http://www.flyline.com/tips_trivia/myths_legends_lies/

"You must match the color of the prey. What a crock. Trout see every color we do, plus they can see infra red and ultra violet. When we see a green caddis larvae, we are seeing an object that is absorbing all the visible wavelengths of light except blue through yellow. These colors are reflected in a blend of light that appears as green to the human eye.

What if this caddis is also reflecting ultra violet? It'll still look green to us because we can't see UV. To the trout who can see into the ultra violet spectrum, the caddis will look something far different from green.

It is well known that many patterns, such as Bob Quigley's para nymph, work better when tied in purple rather than the PMD hatch matching yellowish green. To our eyes the imitation looks nothing like the real thing, however, the infra red reflecting qualities of the purple fly are better at imitating the natural as the trout perceives it. And that's what counts.

Out of a laboratory we have no way of knowing how trout perceive a bug. Luckily, it doesn't matter. Trout don't care if the fly contains the wrong color. Blend lots of colors into your dubbing . . . as long as the right color is present, most fish selectively discriminate against the wrong colors and take the bug. Whitlock's "bright dot" flies are a perfect example of this."

As far as the tippet goes, I think, and take it for what it's worth that at times on streams where fish are pressured that being able to drift nymphs more realistically, while they are attached to the end of a fly rod, which in fact is stationary, that a slight change in the diameter of tippet will draw one or two more takes than the larger one. Is it the difference between success and none, surely not.

About the heavy leader attached to the flies referenced in the article, George Harvey did a similar experiment with inserting heavy line through a beetle, when inserted through the beetle, the trout did not hesitate to take the fly. However, when he put the same beetle on the end of his tippet, he got nothing but refusals. This lead him to the idea of the "slack leader"

The combination of the smaller diameter tippet, distance between the indicator, weight of the fly, available light, reflection of light on the leader and a host of other things combined to make the fish take my nymphs. Do I think that I could have taken the same amount of fish on 5X? Most likely not, or I would have not made the change.

[wwelz]

I would like to add my voice and experience to the color debate. I am convinced trout see color differently than humans do. My latest experience with that phenomenon was on the Bighorn during the hopper hatch. I do like drifting Hoppers downstream with a dropper attached. last year I was having minimal success fishing traditional yellow hoppers. I caught tons of Hoppers on the river bank, and they were always yellow or a shade of yellowish green . One night after fishing I was B.S ing with a group of fly fishermen. Gary a great fishermen and friend said to me try this pattern.



I looked at him and laughed out loud." Red- Orange grasshopper nothing on the river is even close to that color". Well the next day I was sucking wind with my yellow hoppers so I said what to hell and tied on this orange weirdo fly. Surprise - Surprise- surprise- I killed with the orange hopper and continued to do well for the next couple of weeks. One could argue that this fly worked well because it was not like the thousands of other imitations that fishermen were casting but I suspect that is not the main factor in the fly's success . I think the orange -red color was a more realistic representation than the yellow I was using. I believe one reason that woven nymphs work so well is that those of us who tie these patterns are liberated from matching the the colors of a particular underwater insect. Consequently we stumble upon color combinations that are bizarre to us but realistic to the trout. I am not arguing that we should abandon matching the colors of the natural as we see them . My argument is that we should experiment more with unusual colors and colors combinations. See what works and go with it.

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