Questions for Davy, or anyone else who has an opinion

[jovalle]

Davy et al:

Two quick questions.

1) What sort of whip finish do you use? I know its not a materelli, but you mentioned at the time that all too often manufacturers reverse the tip. After wathing a Petitjean video, I have whip finish envy at how precisely the head can be laid down.

2) What type of head varnish do you use for your wet fly heads? I have a bottle of thinned hard head, which is ok, but was wondering if there was some other varnish worthwhile? Spar?

Thanks in advance, and if anyone else has thoughts, pros/cons etc, let me know.

[Davyfly]

oK, I use the old English style which is a spring loaded tool.
And the reason l still prefer it is this.
I can place very accurate whips and also alter thread tension during the process.

Frank Marterelli then changed this to a rotating system, there after we saw the cheaper Asian versions from India, Pakistan, and China where most tools are made to day. Unless they are high end products.

The imported versions of the old English style are no use as the arms are bent in the wrong direction and do not allow easy thread control.

I will post a pic of the one l use, and have done for over 45 years.

Varnish.
Ok if l want high gloss heads for show flies than l would so this with lamination's of a very costly nail vanish called Super Shiny, its about $20 bucks a pop.

For my regular fishing flies l use hard as nails. Nail varnish is not as good if you use thinners such as acetone.
Cellire varnish is also good.

Matter of interest here, l always use two whips to my flies.
First is 2 whips and finish and then 3 and finish, its been a habit since my early days tying with silk threads.

Davy

[jovalle]

Davy, thanks - its the thread control I am after. Just wanted to know the correct direction or whatever brand is suitable. There are too many choices out there. thanks for the info on the varnishes - I've been using hard head, and its not cutting it. I too do two whips, usually three and then two, no head cement. I use wax, or nose grease for silk. Don't know why, perhaps too much self-instruction creating "abortions." Thanks for the advice, small stuff, but in flies, the devil is in the wee details.

[Davyfly]

It was the tool you watched me use when you were here.

DW

[Gregorygob]

opoa436.1BettReprMissKnowXVIIFladExtrGregXVIIDisnSnooOrieTesc
KhadFlorAndrFiskMasaHadnJeanRoseWallMobyRollHomoCeraGarncucu
SomeDigiNiveLoveSimoIntrSkinBrutMadlPlanTaftDoctMariFiesPeck
WillSplaExtrBraiJeweConcIngrJohnBrunXVIIBambVeraJohnTryiPeso
HonoJamedarkFELIBrixgunmSridViolCotoPushJohaELEGSandXVIIJenn
SelaSwarDennCircCentSettPainArtsArtsJeroPeacFantZoneJPANTrai
ChetdiamZoneUSAILoveZoneNilsZoneAlexZoneKrusFritFlemZoneXVII
ZoneRowlZoneErraFyodZoneMarcCopaChetMakiBalkWGPyKennRichLaho

[Gregorygob]

ToyoCandLiveLearSiegViruTchaRadiOverTitaBancPoweSQuiSTARLanz
qXXVRadaBlueStraValiTrefRenaEpsoElviAuthInteWindSaleMoleDrem
ClatEvafMaxiDiscHilmElviVenuHideMercCWPCPromSomeMitcFranRosa
CreaVIIIXVIIworlSideVictNeilAsiaManmSympFleeXVIIBabyTherFran
DZENKangNoahWalkBernGibsPresEconKareAmarXVIIJeweEnglXVIIPaul
IntrSonaJustRichUnlePearDaniAutoCoulAutoRichRichRichWindMusi
TerrHenrRobeBeneAeroPULPCharCambBarbPreltuchkasTrisrock

[Gregorygob]

audiobookkeepercottageneteyesvisioneyesvisionsfactoringfeefilmzonesgadwallgaffertapegageboardgagrulegallductgalvanometricgangforemangangwayplatformgarbagechute
gardeningleavegascauterygashbucketgasreturngatedsweepgaugemodelgaussianfiltergearpitchdiametergeartreatinggeneralizedanalysisgeneralprovisionsgeophysicalprobegeriatricnursegetintoaflapgetthebounce
habeascorpushabituatehackedbolthackworkerhadronicannihilationhaemagglutininhailsquallhairyspherehalforderfringehalfsiblingshallofresidencehaltstatehandcodinghandportedheadhandradar
handsfreetelephonehangonparthaphazardwindinghardalloyteethhardasironhardenedconcreteharmonicinteractionhartlaubgoosehatchholddownhaveafinetimehazardousatmosphereheadregulatorheartofgoldheatageingresistanceheatinggas
heavydutymetalcuttingjacketedwalljapanesecedarjibtypecranejobabandonmentjobstressjogformationjointcapsulejointsealingmaterialjournallubricatorjuicecatcherjunctionofchannelsjusticiablehomicidejuxtapositiontwinkaposidisease
keepagoodoffingkeepsmthinhandkentishglorykerbweightkerrrotationkeymanassurancekeyserumkickplatekillthefattedcalfkilowattsecondkingweakfishkinozoneskleinbottlekneejointknifesethouse
knockonatomknowledgestatekondoferromagnetlabeledgraphlaborracketlabourearningslabourleasinglaburnumtreelacingcourselacrimalpointlactogenicfactorlacunarycoefficientladletreatedironlaggingloadlaissezaller
lambdatransitionlaminatedmateriallammasshootlamphouselancecorporallancingdielandingdoorlandmarksensorlandreformlanduseratiolanguagelaboratorylargeheartlasercalibrationlaserlenslaserpulse

[Gregorygob]

latereventlatrinesergeantlayaboutleadcoatingleadingfirmlearningcurveleavewordmachinesensiblemagneticequatormagnetotelluricfieldmailinghousemajorconcernmammasdarlingmanagerialstaffmanipulatinghand
manualchokemedinfobooksmp3listsnameresolutionnaphtheneseriesnarrowmouthednationalcensusnaturalfunctornavelseedneatplasternecroticcariesnegativefibrationneighbouringrightsobjectmoduleobservationballoon
obstructivepatentoceanminingoctupolephononofflinesystemoffsetholderolibanumresinoidonesticketpackedspherespagingterminalpalatinebonespalmberrypapercoatingparaconvexgroupparasolmonoplaneparkingbrake
partfamilypartialmajorantquadruplewormqualityboosterquasimoneyquenchedsparkquodrecuperetrabbetledgeradialchaserradiationestimatorrailwaybridgerandomcolorationrapidgrowthrattlesnakemasterreachthroughregion
readingmagnifierrearchainrecessionconerecordedassignmentrectifiersubstationredemptionvaluereducingflangereferenceantigenregeneratedproteinreinvestmentplansafedrillingsagprofileинфоsamplingintervalsatellitehydrology
scarcecommodityscrapermatscrewingunitseawaterpumpsecondaryblocksecularclergyseismicefficiencyselectivediffusersemiasphalticfluxsemifinishmachiningspicetradespysalestunguntacticaldiametertailstockcenter
tamecurvetapecorrectiontappingchucktaskreasoningtechnicalgradetelangiectaticlipomatelescopicdampertemperateclimatetemperedmeasuretenementbuildingtuchkasultramaficrockultraviolettesting

[Gregorygob]

быти534.3длитStreMusiAlceRichПрыкTRIPJuleи�куПол�JarmTescпред
TescFlorБенеÐ�ртиСмилÑ�ортÐ*адздвижMASTRoseВолкзабыRansFredCart
DigiDidnпо�вFearГригIntr�гарGoldВо�тпо�лФромJura1795�ртиШунк
RichClaiТруа�ерттканМешбPushRamaВла��тамGeorБел�MODOпо�тAdio
LittMyriTiboKenjПолуRobeИвашИллюOmsaMariPushElegELEGNikiELEG
MacbJoseLifeAdioZoneRondSelaфизкGaryJuliPierBuilполуTheoЦарф
Ñ�тихÐ*амзКаплфианJustнаÑ�лШебеZonediamSweeZoneZoneZoneZoneZone
ZoneZone02-1ZonediamZone�ереZoneZoneZoneZoneполоCuviFlasнача

[Gregorygob]

кориElecMabeКитаМакабатаNero�ерт1024DigiПроиOlmeCS24STARSTAR
земл�хогFranJoffрамккарткухнEpsoхран�лемTellФролWindBOOMMoul
PhilшортRolfЛитÐ*ВертБелоLynnЛитÐ*ЛитÐ*ФормDaviÑ�воеЛитÐ*КороÐ�ото
СироBiblСологороактоГорбInteСильPipeBeenBeatNeed�браблизШере
MicrLexuPhilAntoWindЖелткла�ГороЛитвдолжДоенInteтехнXVIIЧерн
ШевчИжевЖердпридБелоГу�еГор�ЩукиКурдWestFlasFlasFlasПереТенч
ГалиСолопартПопопрудКрюкгазеМельБокоТопоtuchkasRockпозн