Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
My ZXL 9 ft 4wt is one of the best rods I've ever owned...It rules! you wont go wrong if you buy it...I'm a huge fan of the Z's as well, I love the 10 ft 7wt for stillwater, and the 10ft 4wt for nymphing
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
im getting the zxl in 8'6" 3wt..with the lamson purist reel,,,cant wait
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
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My ZXL 9 ft 4wt is one of the best rods I've ever owned...It rules! you wont go wrong if you buy it...I'm a huge fan of the Z's as well, I love the 10 ft 7wt for stillwater, and the 10ft 4wt for nymphing
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Pete, can your 4wt. handle some bigger fish?
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
Trout,
the ZXL?
If so, I wouldn't say that it is the "best" rod for hauling in a 25 inch wild Brown...but I've battle countless 20+ inch fish on the zxl and it's been fine.
In fact, during Nationals practice on Fishing Creek in Penn, I fought and netted a nice brown probably 23+ inches with the ZXL...took a while to get the fat bastard in, but the ZXL performed fairly well in the fight. I caught him in that small riffle above the big glade and pool that was near that cool house on the other side of the river...cool lawn and piece of property...not very good at describing the spot, but I'm sure some of you guys know the spot...
the Z is a 10 footer, so no problem fighting fish there!
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
Peter,
How would you evaluate the PE shadow the 10 ft 3 wt compare to the Z-Axis 10 ft 4 wt ?
Pascal
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
I used to own three ZXL's. I had a 7'6 3wt rod and a 8' 4wt (most versitile dry fly rod around in my opinion, absolutly perfect) which were both the best graphite dry fly rods that I've ever used hands down, so light with a perfect action. the other was a 9ft 5wt I used this more for indicator nymphing way back when and it did a good job of that. I've since sold them all along with every 3200 reel I had on them to support my collection of cane rods, but if I was ever to get another graphite for fishing dries a sage ZXL would be the first on my list for sure.
-kyle
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
Pascal,
the Shadow 3100 has a very similar action to the Z-Axis 10ft 4wt through the first 3 sections, after that, the tip section of the 3100 is slower/softer or one could suggest more sensitive
also the weights are different:
Echo Shadow 10 ft 3wt (3100) 92 grams-3.25 oz
Sage Z-Axis 10' 4weight 98 Grams-3.4 oz
also,
the 3106 has the same action as the 3100 just a little heavier with 6 more inches of rod length
Echo Shadow 10& 1/2 ft 3wt (3106) 96.5 grams-3.39 oz
The Z-Axis 10ft 4wt was a major influence in the development of the Shadow Series of nymphing rods...I have fished the Z's for years, they are simply great rods imo. "emulation is the greatest form of flattery!"
pete
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
Local shop here agreed to let me demo both rods at some point next week, I can't wait! It only makes sense that I try them on the water before I make a decision...
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
Pete,
I've really enjoyed your candid comments about Sage vs. Echo rods, and your other thoughtful posts on this message board. So I've registered in order to ask you this question.
I've been tight-line nymphing a free-stone Michigan river that I live on for 8 years, using mostly Sage 9' 5wt Z-Axis rods and tactics evolved from the book "On the Trout Stream with Joe Humphreys." I've been working lately on blending French and Czech nymphing tactics into what I do. Of course, this will call for different rods, and weaning myself from split shots. So here's my question for you...
I'm a big fan of Sage Z-Axis rods. I'll probably pick up a Sage Z-Axis 10' 4wt. soon. But I'm intrigued by what I've read here about the Echo Shadow PE rods you've designed, and I am planning to buy one of those too. The question is, which?
The (unnamed) river I live on is the highest gradient river in the lower peninsula of Michigan. It has lots of bends and a wide spectrum of riffles, runs, and pools -- with fish-holding water from knee deep to float-your-hat. Over the years, I've refined my tactics to cover the range of speed and depth here, and found a 11' - 12' leader tapered to 4X or 5X with three or four #5 split shots and size 8 or 10 beadheads work best. I'm trying to wean myself from split shots, but don't think I can avoid them entirely because some places are too fast and deep for nymphs alone.
It's a relatively small river (30' to 80' wide) with lots of overhanging trees and submerged, woody debris. It is relatively clear, but the fish are not particularly line-shy. Typical casts are 20', but range to 40' in some spots.
So, given all that, which of the Shadow Echo rods do you think I should purchase, to be a reasonable complement to Sage 10' 4wt. Z-Axis?
Re: Sage Rods: Z-axis or ZXL
Bio,
Thanks for the kind words...
If you are going to buy a 10 ft 4wt ZAxis...then dont buy a 3100 Shadow...they have very similar actions except that the Echo 3100 has a slower tip section...and it is considerably lighter...taking nothing away from the Z...to be honest the Z-Axis 10 ft 4wt is a better all around casting rod than the Shadow is...but I like the Shadow better for nymphing and fighting fish.
Once again if you are going to buy the Z, go ahead and purchase the 3106. it weighs about the same as the Z 10ft 4wt and gives you an extra 1/2 foot more reach...
or you could just buy BOTH the 3100 AND the 3106 for less than the price of one Z-Axis...and still have some money left over to have a few beers with you friends! :)
maybe see if you can get you hands on a shadow to see if you like the action or not...that will definitely help clear things up for ya.
I hope that helps at least a little
cheers
Pete
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