Czech or Polish Nymphing

Loren,

I purchased some of the red power pro in 6 pound test diameter and was going to use this for the butt section of my lead which is going to be about three feet. I am going to knot 4 feet 5x flourocarbon to the end of that then attach my first fly. Riley is sending me some of his flies so I am look at them to see how they are weighted and for the possibility of making them heavy.

I have the perfect stretch of water to test out and get proficient with this technique. I can get very close to the fish as its all pocket water. There will also be lots of opportunities to catch fih as there are lots of them. when I feel that I have the weights of the flies down I will gradually raise the bar as to where I fish. I am making the leader as thin a diameter as possible to assure that the flies get to the bottom with the least resistance. Riley said that at times its really frustrating to fish like the because you know you can go back to your normal technique and do much better.

Also, if you were to fish a dry and two droppers in a competition would it be legal? Would they consider the dry fly a floating device?
I would think that this would be the perfect setup when nymphing shallow rifflles where an upstream presentation is needed.

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Loren, Thanks for your input here, it's fascinating info, especially the concept of "fishing the shot" instead of fishing the flies.

Regarding the above post, how do you incorporate alternating colored mono or fly line if the leader can not be broken? Are blood knots OK? Not considered broken?

I use an amnesia butt followed by green berkely then yellow stren (18" 12" 12" respectively) connected via blood knots when I'm nymphing w/o an attached buoyant indicator. Is this a rig that would be allowed in your competition? It is an effective setup and always tells me something about the depth of my flies.

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That setup would be perfectly legal. Knots are legal, loop to loop is not. You can have a loop, but you need to tie a knot to it.

Try this: drop the amnesia and just use the two colors of mono but make them longer. Next, with a black Sharpie--put a band on the colored mono every few inches. Now your indicator has just adopted a bunch of points of contrast and is now abotu 10-times more sensitive.

You can play with where you put it on your leader and the material you use depending on how you fish. For example, you can use fly line backing (again, two colors and with black bands)and put it closer to your flies (a length of mono between it and your fly line) when upstream nymphing...the backing will be easy to see and it will tell you a TON about your drift--far more than any strike indicator known to man. Fish it upstream and back on a long cast just like you'd fish dry flies.

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Loren,

I purchased some of the red power pro in 6 pound test diameter and was going to use this for the butt section of my lead which is going to be about three feet. I am going to knot 4 feet 5x flourocarbon to the end of that then attach my first fly. Riley is sending me some of his flies so I am look at them to see how they are weighted and for the possibility of making them heavy.

I have the perfect stretch of water to test out and get proficient with this technique. I can get very close to the fish as its all pocket water. There will also be lots of opportunities to catch fih as there are lots of them. when I feel that I have the weights of the flies down I will gradually raise the bar as to where I fish. I am making the leader as thin a diameter as possible to assure that the flies get to the bottom with the least resistance. Riley said that at times its really frustrating to fish like the because you know you can go back to your normal technique and do much better.

Also, if you were to fish a dry and two droppers in a competition would it be legal? Would they consider the dry fly a floating device?
I would think that this would be the perfect setup when nymphing shallow rifflles where an upstream presentation is needed.
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The only suggestion I'd make--and this is only from experience--is to use 8# (you want it to test higher than your tippet)for the sighter and use a fluorescent green, yellow or orange color (I use green and orange combined). The red color will not stand out. Be careful with the power pro as your butt--you'll break fish off on the set. I like braid for small sighter (the regs have changed a bit --your entire leader, IF it tapers needs to taper down) in the middle of my leader but I need to have a length of mono ahead of it for stretch. Frog Hair goes a LONG way too in protecting your fish.

See my post above. Dry dropper is legal indeed. It is not my favorite technique for shallow water--but that is not to say you won't love it. I use dry dropper techniques if I have to cover a long patch of slow water or very long runs.

Riley is a damned fine angler so don't let him fool you. I think these techniques outshine more traditional indicator skills by far. The one trouble area can be very large rivers. Dry dropper is a skill you need to fish water (way out there) and then fly design is very, very important. That said, there will be growing pains and you step outside your comfort zone. Stick with it and I think you'll be pleased at the decision.

WOW!

Incredible topic, what a tremendous amount of great information to digest!

Thank you Loren.

Steve

Loren,

I would have thought that there would be some regulation about using the dry with two droppers as opposed to one. I began to look at the regulations in the PDF file. I am looking at ways to see how I can use the rules to my benefit. I am trying to fit as much as my techniques as possible and fit them to abide by the rules.

So you are saying that you like to put mono right after the fly line, then you put the braid? I know that I am going to have to learn a ton of new stuff. I used to fish mostly tight line with no indicator. I think the hardest thing for me to learn is going to learn how to match the weighted nymphs to the amount of split shot that I would use to fish the same water. The part that is good is that I will be able to fish three flies. This way I can weight two flies and not have to rely on one large heavily weighted flies.

Aaron,

As long as the local regs permit 3 flies then the FIPS rules are OK with it. I do dry/dropper/dropper a good deal. You will find that the design of the dry fly is very important since you will be front loading it....it MUST be tied to a knot tag.

Yep on the braid.

So something like 1.5 feet of 0.013 mono then 3 feet of braid the 4 feet of 5X?

The dry for the dry dropper, dropper should have a big bushy tail of a similar material that I say might just use to make yarn strike indicators? If this is so I have some good ideas to run by you?

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So something like 1.5 feet of 0.013 mono then 3 feet of braid the 4 feet of 5X?

It's something you need to work out for yourself...everyone does it a bit different. I, personalty, would not sue 3 feet of braid. I tend to use more mono ahead than that too...but again, it's relative to the water I'm fishing. I rig it once I see my beat.

The dry for the dry dropper, dropper should have a big bushy tail of a similar material that I say might just use to make yarn strike indicators? If this is so I have some good ideas to run by you?
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Well, all the weight will be at the front of the fly so.....a bushy tail??? May want to rethink that.

I will tell you this: I am NEVER going to sacrifice a hook. I use dries that I fully expect will get eaten. There is no universal pattern. Run form there with it :).

I was not going to use that fly as one that is on the bottom. That idea was for the fly what was going to be used as the dry fly for strike detection. I have been thinking up some flies that I can incorporate poly yarn into to make something that will float very well so that I can fish certain situations in a competitive situation effectively.

I understand what you meant....I'm just warning you about using an indicator with a hook in it. Try to design a dry that will work with the droppers but stand equal chance of getting eaten. There are lots of Regional venues where you can only use 2 flies. When I dry dropper fish I routinely catch fish on the dry...for that reason my dries are all designed to catch fish as well as hold up two droppers.

You'll see what I mean when you really start playing with the technique......