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Great tips Davy, and thanks a lot for responding, As for the white zoo cougar would you say a white Heifer groomer or a white boogie man would be a good substitute? ( Only asking because i have the hardest time finding white zoo cougars locally.) But I really think I'm gonna hammer some huge cotton wood overhangs I've seen but had trouble getting too. and as far as the leader shyness it was more towards nymphing and not streamer fishing. Thanks again for the feedback!