Aaron's prefered sighter product

There has been so much talk about coiled sighters on this sight that its time to share Aaron's preferred coiled sighter product. Since he is constantly working at improving his system some months ago he found the best sighter material for visability and floatability available on the market today. He showed me this material last fall and I have subsequently thrown everything else I had in the trash. Its funny when Mantis had that thread going about exchanging sighter material I could have mailed out spools of ande hi vis, golden Stren Ande envy green etc. This sighter material was as far as I know only available in Europe from Jan Siman but Aaron asked me bring it to the attention of John Benchoff at wflies.com. Aaron thought it would be nice to have a place in the states to get this material for all of us. The first month John brought it in Aaron and I bought the whole shipment. Sorry guys. Ha ha. Anyway, If you get a chance contact john at Wflies and try this bicolor indicator material from jan Siman for your coiled sighhters.It will open a different world to your Euro French Nymphing. When John at Wflies runs out you can still get it from Jan Siman for about a 5 dollar shipping charge which is not bad and get it in about two weeks. Enjoy this one guys from the vest of Aaron Jasper.

It's highly visible but seems to straighten out quick. Floats good too. Golden stren seems to hold coils longer.

When you can see it so well, who cares about the coils! That line does float the best out of all of them.

Its straightening out cuz you are catching more fish.lol Another tip from Aaron- when moving to the next spot or spooling up for what ever reason try not to draw the coiler taunt. Keep some slack so the coils can maitain a relaxed position. That may help.

We should maybe start a section on the site called "tips from the friends of Aaron" Might as well. Its been the history here. Heck there are even guys giving clinics and starting web sites based on the stuff he has taught them.ha ha. Now I will get an angry text from him saying, "why did you say that.". Ha ha!

You can't help yourself ;)

What diameter of this stuff have you found to work best? Siman sells it in 4 sizes.

Also, are you guys typically using microrings to attach your sighters?

Spencer

Nevermind, found it at wflies.com. That's a nice shop. Great prices on tungsten beads.

.35mm is the size that I use the most. If he has it, get it quick. It won't last. Also, enter TPO in the coupon code and you get no charge shipping.

The pressure is on John at Wflies now. Can he deliver! He be "pumpin" that sighter material out the door now! The TPO spotlight has illuminated www.wflies.com

Couldn't find it on that sight, what's it under?

http://wflies.com/Tippets.html

Magnet and Aaron,
Is this the same stuff Jan uses in his pre-made coiled sighters? Cool stuff. I ordered some.

Yes it is! You will like it. The visibilty is un real.

I think I got the last two packages

you did. they are all out

I picked up a couple yesterday... those things might as well have been a piece of meat in shark infested water! haha, I hope they get some more in soon.

I received my order of the Bi-color strike indicator material from Wflies in their usual prompt manner. The colored sections are two feet orange and two feet yellow. So I think that means you cut each colored section at the one foot point end up with a continuous section of one foot orange and one foot yellow. A two foot coiled sighter seems long to me. I wound one of these sections on a bick pen shaft boiled for six minutes and put in the freezer overnight. I also added a tippet ring on each end. What is the ideal length of a coiled sighter when the sighter is stretched out ? I am thinking about 16 inches .

Mine are down to about 12 to 14 inches stretched out. I found the longer ones to delay my strike time a bit - or at least that is the excuse I use for missing fish :)

15-16 inches sounds about right to me. That's roughly what I use. Maybe a little less, but that sounds about right stretched out.

Couple newb questions on these sighters, if you don't mind.

1) Do you use these for all forms of euro nymphings, both short line "czech" and long line "french" nymphing?
2) How do you attach the leader to the sighter? Can you tie a blood knot directly to the bicolor material, or are you using micro rings? If using micro rings, what kind of knot, clinch?
3) What's the process for making these? Sounds like you wrap them around a pen or a bolt, boil it, and then freeze? Anything more specific than that?

Thanks!
Spencer

I do, yeah. I just reel in the long leader and proceed as I would with a dacron or nylon indicator. I usually just connect to the leader with a perfection loop in a loop to loop. My current slinky has a micro-ring so I just clinch knot it. You can also blood knot it, but if want to change the slinky you have to cut it off and retie and that burns through leader pretty fast.

I field tested the bi color sighter yesterday. I must say I am impressed. The visibility is incredible. For some reason the two colors almost seem to glow in the water. I tied mine to long but I will correct this in the future. The other important factor is float-ability . I began fishing without treating the sigher and it worked fine. It floats higher however if you treat it with a floatant. I was concerned that the coils may be too limp but I was wrong. I must say Trout predator has never steered me wrong with respect to product reviews and evaluations.

Would love to see a "video of the month" on this whole coiled sighter setup.. I'm having a hard time visualizing how it is fished, despite reading a ton of messages here :)

-- Tom

Seeing how it is fished is what a guide trip is for.

I will do a video of making the coiled sighter, boiling it and cooling it. Then I will attach it to the line. I mean to ask about a product is one thing but to ask someone to make a video, for no cost, which shows how to fish it is another thing altogether. Would you go to a law office and expect a lawyer to write up papers for free? Would a CPA do you taxes for free?

I can tell you the same as all of my clients, you just can't get the same thing from these sites. Yes , it is good "free" information, but remember , nothing of great value is free.

Aaron,

Please, don't bother on my account.. I was just curious and thought it would be a good topic for a April/May TPO video of the month, especially with all the discussions on here lately about coiled sighters.

I won't even get into the other half of your response, as you are the one paying the bills and this is your site, so you get to decide what to offer for "free" and what to reserve for your paying clients.

-- Tom

Tom,

You have to keep in mind that I fish competitively as well. If I think that I doing something more effective than my competition, the last thing I would do is make a video of it. That would be mighty foolish. If you go on EU sites it's tough to find any info on nymphing. They guard it! It's about staying ahead. I will make the video showing how to make and attach the coil to your leader. Once I do that go fishing with it and see what it can do.

I can tell you from reading a lot of the things out there that you do have be careful of what you read.

Go get fly fisherman and read Bret's article. The more leg work you do, the more you will appreciate your findings, and the better fisherman you'll be.

TomS,
Only way you will get to know how to fully utilize this "system" is to out with someone who knows what they are doing and also can teach you it's full potential. And trust me it's deadly! Unless you can find someone to show you it's so much better to spend the money and get it over with. The rewards will be worth it! Iwent out with Aaron a few weeks ago thinking he's probably not going to show me much I didn't know, we'll I was wrong. Not that I was doing things wrong but with what he taught me has taken me to the next level. Before I was short line nymphing and throwing "lobs", now I'm actually casting line and hitting areas that are far away where you don't spook the fish. I'm referring to long line nymphing.
If you take fly fishing seriously you'll do it.

Thanks for the responses.. all I was looking for was a picture or video of what the sighter looked like when it was being fished.. I just couldn't visualize how the coils could be used as an indicator, and where they were in relation to the leader and surface of the water during a drift. Another member here sent me a link to an older TPO video that showed this, and I am all set now.

Thanks again, and hope everyone has a great season.

-- Tom

What kind of knot are you guys using to attach Siman's Bicolor stuff to a microring? I've tried a clinch knot, and can't get it to stick. For starters, just holding onto that microring is a huge pain, and even if I do form the clinch knot, it won't tighten down on the Bicolor stuff like it does on normal mono.

Any tips would be much appreciated. I'm planning to give this coiled sighter a try this weekend, but need to figure out how to attach the damn thing :)

Spencer

Nevermind, a Uni-knot worked brilliantly.

These sighters look AMAZING btw, thanks a lot for the info Magnet/Aaron. I'm really looking forward to testing it out on the Deschutes this sunday.

Spencer

Spencer,
I keep my rings on a tiny pear-shaped safety pin, which is attached to a larger clip. The clip looks like this (second one down): http://www.garmentaccessories.co.in/safety-pins.html

When I want to tie one to a leader (or sighter), I tie to it using a 3 turn clinch knot (for heavy leader/sighter) or a Davy knot (for tippet) while the ring is still on the clip. This allows you to really pull hard on the leader to snug down the knot. After the knot is secure and trimmed, THEN I'm ready to take it off the clip. It works way better than fumbling around and trying to hold it with your hemostats (plus it keeps the ring from getting scratched up, which would create potential for a broken tippet) Hope this helps

That bicolor stuff is awesome btw. Thank you Aaron and Company.

Good luck this weekend.

-Adam

Re-boiled sighter - My bi - color sighter lost its curl after about two weeks of fishing four times a week. So because I am nervous about running out of my limited supply of bi-color I re-wrapped the sigher around a bic pen boiled it and froze it again. I used it this morning for six hours caught about twenty five fish and it worked fine. This is probably a dum idea but I got away with it so far.

Bill,

When everyone sells out of that stuff you better reuse it!

WWelz: I was just going to post that tip today, but you beat me to the punch.

I reboiled some sighters that unwound in first "cooking" and unraveled. They seem ok; did not fishe them though.

Love the visibility of this stuff. It is odd how it becomes really supple for a few days after coiling and boiling and then stiffen up over time. Has anyone else noticed this?

The visibility is really amazing, for sure. I haven't noticed it stiffening over time, but I've been making mine the day before I go out. Maybe I'll try to make a few days in advance, if you think that helps stiffen them up.

Ideally, I'd like to find something that holds coils just a bit longer. With the number of fish I'm catching using this technique, the coils start straightening out fairly quickly. Not that that's a bad problem to have though!

I'm also thinking about trying to dye some Monofilament into similar colors. In your guy's experience, which brands of mono have you found to keep coils the best?

Spencer

I have landed over 50 trout with my reboiled sighter including 15 fish over 18 inches . The sighter is holding its curl nicely

That's great Bill. I caught 12 this morning in the Farmington TMA on a relaxed Simon sighter. One was a yellow dye survivor fish. Several browns were close to 18 inches.

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